Bench Press: Atheist Group Wins Right To Display Monument In North Florida County
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Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 11:27:42 AM EST

By the end of the month, the courthouse in Bradford County, Fla., will be home to a large granite bench covered with quotes from famous skeptics and atheists.

How did this happen? Is Bradford County some sort of hotbed of atheism?

Probably not. The north Florida county of 26,000 has a church roster that consists of the usual collection of Baptist, Pentecostal, Churches of Christ and other conservative Christian denominations found in the South. It's known mainly for housing several state prisons.

The secularist monument came about because some officials in the county got the bright idea to establish a "free speech forum" at the courthouse in 2011. The notion was to get the Ten Commandments displayed in front of the courthouse. Local officials knew if they put the Decalogue up there on its own at government expense they might get sued, hence the forum.

Sure enough, it didn't take long for a local Christian group called the Community Men's Fellowship to haul a six-ton Commandments monument to the courthouse.

When American Atheists threatened to sue over the matter, county officials had little choice but to agree to accept an atheist monument as well.

"We have maintained from the beginning that the Ten Commandments doesn't belong on government property," David Silverman, president of American Atheists, said in a press release. "There is no secular purpose for the monument whatsoever, and it makes atheists feel like second-class citizens. But if keeping it there means we have the right to install our own monument, then installing our own is exactly what we'll do."

The atheist monument will be a granite bench that weighs about 1,500 pounds engraved with quotes by people like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the founder of American Atheists.

The Bradford County dust-up reminded me of an incident Americans United took to court in 2011 after officials in Johnson County, Tenn., approved a policy allowing "citizens and citizen groups" to erect permanent displays "relating to history and heritage of American law and government on the walls in the lobby of the Johnson County Courthouse."

Again, the officials' goal here was to find a way to display the Commandments at the courthouse. In short order, a group called the Ten Commandments Warriors donated a display including the Decalogue as well as several quotes promoting bogus "Christian nation" concepts.

Then the fun started. Ralph Stewart, a local resident, sought to erect a display listing the historical foundations of separation of church and state. He was denied. County officials dragged their feet and gave various phony reasons why they didn't want to erect Johnson's display. They were suddenly eager to talk after AU took Johnson's case to court.

The case was settled out of court, and Stewart was permitted to display his posters. In addition, as part of the settlement, Johnson County officials agreed to modify their policy to make it clear that they would not turn down a display simply because they don't like its content. Disclaimers were also added to make it clear that the displays are sponsored by private individuals and groups, not Johnson County.

Just to be clear: Americans United's preference would be that courthouses and other government buildings be free of religious symbols and sectarian codes. American law is not based on the Ten Commandments. (When was the last time someone in your town got arrested for worshipping the wrong god or making a graven image?) Putting the Decalogue at the seat of government promotes bad theology and bad law. It's especially offensive in courthouses, where judges are supposed to treat people on an equal basis no matter what they believe (or don't believe) about religion or God.

Fundamentalists may think they've found a clever way to bring the Commandments in through the backdoor by invoking a "free speech zone." They have to understand what that means. Free speech means free speech for everyone. Those courthouse plazas may get awfully crowded.

Rather than litter our courthouses with every conceivable religious and secular code, we'd do better to keep those signs and symbols where they belong - in private homes and houses of worship. Our courthouses should stay focused on their primary mission, which is entirely secular: dispensing justice for all.




Display:
that someone is taking the initiative to fight these fundamentalists with their own rules and tactics.

I came up with the same idea but I wasn't aware that somebody was already working on it.

by Villabolo on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 04:06:35 PM EST


This looks exactly like how the Good News Club gets into public schools. The tactic is justified by the 2001 (Wikipedia) Good News Club v. Milford Central School Supreme Court decision. According to the decision's Wikipedia page, the Court:
...held that when a government operates a "limited public forum," it may not discriminate against speech that takes place within that forum on the basis of the viewpoint it expresses--in this case, against religious speech engaged in by an evangelical Christian club for children.
I'm in the middle of reading Katherine Stewart's book, (amazon) The Good News Club: The Christian Right's Stealth  Assault on America's Children. According to Stewart (in a recent presentation at a panel discussion about religious child abuse), the organization running the Good News Club, the "Child Evangelism Fellowship" now has the club in 4000 U.S. schools and is aiming for all 65,000 of them. School districts try to stop the GNC, but they can't; the CEF has a legal arm that knows how to stop attempts to keep the GNC out.

I'm no lawyer, but reading some of Souter's minority opinion at the Wikipedia page, it looks like there may be a way for a better Supreme Court to cut down the decision:

Furthermore, Souter disagreed that this case was so similar to Widmar and Lamb's Chapel as the majority claimed. Widmar involved a university student group, one of over a hundred on campus, that used university space for religious worship. In that case, Souter pointed out, the risk of the university being seen as endorsing the worship was low in light of the number of student groups on campus and the level of maturity of the students. The film in Lamb's Chapel was open to the general public and aimed at adults, not children, and the school facilities had been used by a wide variety of private organizations, just as there were a large number of student groups in Widmar.
Stewart's book is one of the worst horror stories I've ever read.

Yes, we can expect many more Ten Commandments monuments. From where I stand, providing "free speech forums" is not a valid function--or "power"--of government and should be stopped by the courts--if that's possible. Of course, in public hearings etc., any relevant speech must be allowed. I'd rather the atheists have worked to get the "free speech forum" stopped. But, if they can't, maybe they can cut down some Christian Nationalist propaganda--that would be great!

by Mel M on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 07:29:30 PM EST


If the Christian Nationalist fundamentalists are true to the ugly face they've shown Mikey Weinstein, the atheist bench will be defaced and, perhaps, destroyed; a few blows with a big hammer should just about finish it. They don't dare hit Mikey with a hammer, but a granite bench is another matter. They might also try covering the writing up with faux granite sticky paper or something like that.

by Mel M on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 07:44:48 PM EST
when I read the article was exactly as you've expressed... the dominionists (which overwhelmingly dominate most of the north Florida counties... even worse than this one in that aspect) will find a way to destroy the bench.

God help anyone who dares move against their "Ten Commandments" plaques and monuments, however!  It seems now that the "unofficial official" stance is that it's OK to harm and hurt non-dominionists (at least you have almost no chances of having crimes investigated or at most only a cursory surface investigation - no effort put into it), but they're protected.

by ArchaeoBob on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39:04 AM EST
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Bob,

Interesting comment. I've not read anything about cursory investigations of crimes against non-dominionists. Could you post a link to an article about this? A book link would be ok too.

BTW, I've now finished the chapter in Stewart's book about the practice of "church planting." This is another result of the Good News Club v. Milford Central School Supreme Court decision. With this, public schools are used as churches on Sunday. There's no need to spend money building a church--just use taxpayer funded schools, sweet deal huh?

by Mel M on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 01:02:04 PM EST
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and the related experiences of some of the non-Christians and LGBT people I know.

When my workshop was torched after I'd written a letter to the editor supporting teaching evolution (family members were threatened four days before the fire), the fire department refused to investigate further - wrote it off as "bad wiring" (it wasn't and refused to listen when I told them it may be arson).  We've been having problems with people messing with us for years... called the police and the police would refuse to write anything up because "you don't have any reports on file of problems in the past".  We finally got a paper trail started when someone spraypainted racist hate graffiti in front of our mailbox... and that only happened because the safety officer who responded (along with a cop) promised us that a report would be written (the lady ...cop... was furious with him for making that promise and reamed him out for it - she didn't want to write up a report or do anything).  
A woman we know had her house shot up in a drive-by shooting because she's pagan, and the last I heard, the sheriff's office (another county) was "still investigating" - they haven't talked with the woman after the initial incident from the last I heard about it.  LGBT people I know have a saying when their homes are torched out from under them - being "burned out".  It never gets investigated and rarely makes the news.  Some of our LGBT friends have told of LGBT couples and individuals they know who were "burned out".

As far as I know, there is no book about it and the people who talk about what happened to them generally do so not in public (or where their identity can be determined)... the dominionists are very dangerous, and some of my friends think I'm crazy for talking about what those "Good Christians" have done to us.  I'm tired of the treatment I've gotten at their hands over the decades and am not going to take it without making a fuss any more.

There have been a few people who got lucky... Darla Kay Wynne... the perpetrators killed her pets (from what I've read dog, cats, parrot, and maybe others) and cut the head off the parrot and used its blood to write "You're next" on the wall before trying to torch her house.  They succeeded in destroying her kitchen (I think it was set to look like an accidental kitchen fire) but it didn't burn the rest of the house and it was obvious what had happened - that's what I've gleaned from the reports I've read (she had proof it wasn't an accident and was religion-based).  David Mullins dog was poisoned, but he couldn't prove who did it... just that the dog had been poisoned in his office on campus (luckily he got it to a vet in time).  Darla Kay Wynne had asked that her city council stop using sectarian prayers and start using non-sectarian prayers to open their city council meetings... David Mullins had been fighting against the dominionist infiltration of the Air Force Academy.

You can look the two up for documentation on what happened to them.  There are a lot more people who have suffered violence at the hands of the dominionists... and a great many more where people don't have "proof" but their own word.

by ArchaeoBob on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:52:46 PM EST
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Thanks. I believe you.

I recently read Mikey Weinstein's book "No Snowflake in an Avalanche"; he and his family have had a real hard time with the Air Force Academy Fundamentalists. It's what he experienced + the generally angry demeanor of the fanatics that makes me worried. (Now I have to add your experience.) Look at Lou Engle and his call for Christian martyrdom. When I hear "martyrdom," I always figure somebody is going to be hurt. I don't think a granite bench will make the fanatics hesitate at all.

The Air Force situation makes me sad too: way back in ancient times, I had a relative who was a B47 bomber pilot in the Air Force. He was killed in a crash in Texas. He told the family that if he ever had to fly into the Soviet Union with the shorter range B47, he'd never make it back--big hero for me. I hate to feel disrespect for the Academy now.

by Mel M on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:49:32 PM EST
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do you keep a diary or any kind of record detailing these incidents? You might want to collect experiences from everyone who has gone through the same things you have and post it prominently on a website like this one or Daily Kos.

by Villabolo on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:54:07 PM EST
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