Same-Sex marriage ban in Florida
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:58:56 AM EST
The Lakeland Ledger reports that the group "Florida4Marriage" has collected 597,000 signatures and only needs 13,000 more to have their amendment put up for a vote. In this same article the organization, headed by John Stemberger, expects the amendment to achieve the 60% vote needed to pass.

What is also mentioned in the article is that Florida signed on with the Federal Defense of Marriage Act, and that gay marriage is already unlawful in this state.  It seems that the actual outcome of this act would be the possibility of lawsuits against "domestic partnerships" and the denial of rights to people living in committed relationships but not marriage.

I've known people who were committed to each other, but who could not marry for different reasons.  The most glaring case is a couple I used to know, where the woman depended on Social Security for the medicines needed to keep her alive.  If she got married, she'd loose Social Security- loose the medicines- and thus marriage would have killed her.   So she and the person she loved lived together. (They wanted to marry, but couldn't, and were hounded by the local AoG church- which learned about their situation- because they were "living in sin"!)

John Stemberger calls these facts "scare tactics", but the reality is the same.  What they will accomplish is harming people who don't need any more misery.

These people are so set on controlling everyone else.  What gets me is that people don't see through them to the reality- they want the right to control every aspect of the lives of everyone else, and to push their religious and cultural viewpoint on the community around them.

And need I say that they also are demanding the right to demonize human beings (LGBT people) for being different?

If they achieve this goal, how long will it be before they start demonizing others?  

(Oh, that's right- they already do... liberals, non-dominionists, and non-christians!  And dare I mention socialists, anarchists, communists, and anyone who doesn't buy into free-market capitalism? )




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Isn't this stalking? What did the AoG church do, stand outside their house with a bullhorn?

by NancyP on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 06:11:55 PM EST
The church threatened to report them, members would go to them and harass them (preach at them on their doorstep from what I'd heard), they'd get nasty comments and so forth made to them in public, and they were the subject of sermons.

All typical behavior, as I and many others can relate.

Sadly, they'd made the mistake of approaching the pastor of that church about their problem.  Then they compounded it by not obeying and not joining that church.

I'm not sure if they're even alive now, much less together.  They were having a really hard time of it back when I saw them regularly, and the last time I talked with them was around ten years ago.  

Instead of helping someone in need, that church made their lives worse.

by ArchaeoBob on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:38:06 PM EST
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I know it's not just a scare tactic. There are a lot of elderly couples in that situation, especially in Florida. I love how the Right always talks about taking it to the people, and then when "the people" vote against them, they allege that the people are too stupid to understand the consequences of their ideas. No, they *know*. Very well. And I hope they do in Florida, too. By the way, as a woman in a same-sex marriage, I'm frequently told I'm selfish for wanting to preserve my marriage. But I'm not insisting on my "right" to vote on whether complete strangers get to marry or not! The worst was when I related the story of a surfing accident I got into last year to a couple of people who oppose SSM. Both people listened as I told them how if I wasn't awake enough to make a scene about it, my wife wouldn't have gotten into the hospital room with me. And both people rebutted the same way: "Why don't you just stop surfing?" Well, I guess if you're controlling enough to tell people to "just" stop loving members of the same sex or "just" get married even if it means losing retirement benefits, you're controlling enough to tell them what sports they can engage in, too...

by GreenEyed Lilo on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:39:29 AM EST

Sorry. Apparently T2A doesn't like how I format comments.

I know it's not just a scare tactic. There are a lot of elderly couples in that situation, especially in Florida. I love how the Right always talks about taking it to the people, and then when "the people" vote against them, they allege that the people are too stupid to understand the consequences of their ideas. No, they *know*. Very well. And I hope they do in Florida, too.

By the way, as a woman in a same-sex marriage, I'm frequently told I'm selfish for wanting to preserve my marriage. But I'm not insisting on my "right" to vote on whether complete strangers get to marry or not! The worst was when I related the story of a surfing accident I got into last year to a couple of people who oppose SSM. Both people listened as I told them how if I wasn't awake enough to make a scene about it, my wife wouldn't have gotten into the hospital room with me. And both people rebutted the same way: "Why don't you just stop surfing?"

Well, I guess if you're controlling enough to tell people to "just" stop loving members of the same sex or "just" get married even if it means losing retirement benefits, you're controlling enough to tell them what sports they can engage in, too...

by GreenEyed Lilo on Wed Nov 07, 2007 at 09:40:57 AM EST



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