Big Bill Haywood and the Dominionists
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Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:32:48 PM EST
In light of all of the recent discussion about Theocracy, I have been reflecting on some things. This issue goes to the core of our identity as a nation, and harsh lines are drawn on each side. At stake is our freedom... the freedom to think, vote and worship as we please, as well as the freedom to be free of established religion or religious coercion. Traditional religionists accuse the secular left of bigotry and narrow-mindedness, while the secular left thinks that the traditional religionists are out to overthrow the republic and erect a government by clergy.

I couldn't help but be reminded of the early days of the American labor movement, and the red-baiting era. Back in the early twentieth century, many parts of mainstream America were terrified of the labor movement. It's leaders were said to be Communists and Anarchists, out to overthrow the government and expropriate the wealth of the landed gentry. They were anti-democratic it was said, and had no respect for the natural rights of men, or our freedoms. If you followed the anti-labor propaganda of the era, the labor movement seemed as if it were some enormous criminal enterprise, plotting the destruction of American culture and civilization.

On it's face we can see that the propaganda was false. The labor movement resulted in unprecedented prosperity for the United States, and a standard of living unrivaled in the world. Prior to the labor movement, American capitalism was efficient at producing goods, but poor at creating markets. The business cycle was marked by rapidly alternating periods of chaotic over-production and recession. Once a piece of the pie was given to the workers themselves, they were able to purchase ever increasing amounts of those same goods, and the consumer-driven economy was born. Offhand I can't think of much of a down-side to the labor movement, except for the fact that it's nearly gone today.

So what about the propaganda? Was it a bunch of lies? Not at all. Many of the most outspoken labor leaders of the time were Communists, Anarchists and other associated leftists. The sources these folks derived their ideology from often advocated the violent overthrow of governments and the confiscation of property. The leaders were accused of wanting to establish a worker's state wherein class and property would be abolished. They were accused of working outside of the system, and of being opposed to the Constitution and law. The accusers were correct in some cases, but despite it all... the republic survived. In fact, we never even came close to a worker's revolution in the United States. There were incidents here and there, to be sure, but the massive civil strife that other societies in that era witnessed were wholly absent from the American scene. There are good reasons it never happened here. Despite the fact that some leaders were pretty far to the left, the rank and file largely saw no benefit in throwing the baby out with the bath water. The rank and file just wanted a fair shake regarding wages, hours and benefits, and eventually they got it.

Did the propaganda add to the dialogue or detract from it? Red-baiting and persecution saw the forcible arrest, murder and deportation of many American labor leaders. Paranoia ran high, and "conspiracy theories" were relentlessly put forth by the minions of the ruling class. The folks that bought into these frequently took the law into their own hands, often creating a backlash from the labor movement, and tit-for-tat violence was common. While it could be argued that it was a responsible act to put information about the motives of the labor movement into the public sphere, the fear-mongering and hyperbole associated with it caused unnecessary harm and confusion. The irony is that what probably defused the labor movement more than any right-wing propaganda sheet ever could was the very prosperity that the workers finally achieved. Once they had something to lose, they had no interest in hard-core left-wing politics.

I couldn't help but equate all of this with the so-called "dominionists" today. Like the labor movement, apparently a few of the leaders of the religious right have visions of a utopia beyond the constraints of Constitution and law, and also like the labor movement, the rank and file largely want no part of it, but they do want a fair shake... they want to be free to practice their religion unmolested and they want their voices heard in the political arena. Like the reactionaries of yore, the secular left speaks of these folks in conspiratorial tones, and accuses them of wanting to expropriate our spiritual and cultural property.

The fear-mongering and hyperbole I see today regarding the "dominionists" is ironic in that it reminds me of the same arguments that were used against the left two or three generations ago... the leaders are anti-democratic, these sorts of people shouldn't have the right to vote, they have no right to bring their issues into the public discussion, they don't respect our values, they want to take things away from us, they should be deported, why don't they just shut up and be grateful,  etc etc. Back in the early twentieth century, people used to produce big and fancy charts diagramming how the left-wing labor organizers were going to influence and subvert people (including you and your neighbors) and eventually take over and establish tyranny. Today we see articles by certain members of the secular left about the "dominionists" that describe the same thing...how the "hard-core" will affect the "soft-core" who will convince the "evangelicals" and on and on.

The fact is, few if any traditional religious people would ever consent to an extra-Constitutional society. Like you, we have far too much to lose. Also, like the left back then, we are fragmented into many sub-groups who can scarcely agree on anything anyway. The in-fighting and splintering between the Communists, Socialists and Anarchists was orderly compared to the in-fighting among the religious segments of society today.

The point is, we should try to avoid hyperbole and fear-mongering when discussing or engaging these folks. The most powerful arguments against Communism were calm, rational and well-supported, and they spoke to the listener's self-interest. Likewise we are more likely to win these folks over by calmly engaging them, finding common ground, and when possible, making a place for them in our party.

As a traditional religionist, I find it distressing that the left as a whole is so terribly uncomfortable with religion and religious people. We are marginalized, suspected, and avoided. If we make a mention of something religious, fear and ostracism ensue, with cries of "theocracy" and "tyranny". Sometimes I feel like a wobblie at a DAR meeting!

Fear is always bad... it clouds our judgement and de-humanizes the "other". It reduces us to our worst instincts. It makes the "other" an object to be reviled, rather than a soul to be embraced. Let's stand up for ourselves as we see fit, but without fear and hate... inshAllah (God willing).




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I really agree that too many progressives still do not know how to talk about people of faith. I also agree that few people who support the Christian Right (about 15% of voters in presidential elections) actually support the idea of a Christian theocracy, much less Christian Reconstructionism.

Dominionism is a tendency, not a mass fascist army on the march.

A little more careful research and a little less hot rhetoric would be useful.

:-)

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Chip Berlet: Research for Progress - Building Human Rights
by Chip Berlet on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 08:36:39 PM EST
...the Arabian Gulf. Some of the Wahabbis are "dominionists" to Nth degree, and make their American counterparts look tame by comparison.

In spite of this, even here very few people really want an Islamic state, or to live under sharia law. Those that advocate it are a small number of ambitious agitators who are adept at playing on people's fears.

 

by moses freeman on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 08:49:10 PM EST
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What moses freeman posts could be edited slightly into the analytical model used by most of us who helped found talk2action:  

"...very few people really want [a theocratic] state, or to live under [fundamentalist] law. Those that advocate it are a small number of ambitious agitators who are adept at playing on people's fears."

Thanks!

-Chip

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Chip Berlet: Research for Progress - Building Human Rights
by Chip Berlet on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:25:53 AM EST
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I agree that hyperbole, and exaggeration is counterproductive; that it continues in public life,l including sometimes on this site.

I agree that demonization and labeling are a serious problem on their side and ours, and in society in general.

I agree that the people who are full blown dominionists of one form or another are a small fraction of the population.

I agree that an actual theocracy such as that envisioned by Rushdoony and even the defacto theocracy envisioned by the likes of D.James Kennedy is not near. Those who state or imply otherwise are making unsubstantiated and hysterical claims.

However, the way Freeman frames the discussion tends to pooh pooh the seriousness of the political situation we face. And this is where I disagree.

Freeman's argument holds no more water than unsubstantiated claims and other forms of hyperbole. This is because it is based on an analogy to the demonization directed at the American labor movement, not based on an analysis of contemporary American politics and the role of the religious right. Let's consider for example, that the parts of the American labor movement espousing antidemocratic ideologies never came close to the kind of power already exerted by the Christian Right.

Indeed, the dominionist movement in the United States, as described by Chip, and me and others is a serious problem. It is central, not periferal to American politics. It holds substantial political power in the United States, which it has gained primarily by winning elections. It also has gained wide influence in the culture. It is not hyperbolic to say this, nor to discuss appropriate ways of addressing the problem at all levels.

It is one thing to say that some people exaggerate the power and influence of the dominionists and enage in demonization and labeling. It is quite another thing to zero on that, and that alone.

When we do address matters of hyperbole, labeling, demonization, fear mongering, and related matters, let's be specific.

From the beginning, we have sought to make Talk to Action a place that will be marked by seriousness of purpose, and not by the intellectual, political and moral mistakes of labeling, demonization and fear mongering that have held back opposition to the religious right for a generation.  I recognize that we do not always succeed. Coping with and discussing these things is not easy. If it were, this site, and the conversation on this thread, would not be necessary.

I also want to stress that this is not a matter of right and left. The issues raised by Freeman and agreed to by Chip and me have been present in the Republican Party -- and the factions that have fallen into those traps were marginalize or defeated by Christian Rightists.

Recognizing and stopping these behaviors is worthwhile, no matter what one's political or religious orientation may be.

That said, it remains necessary to continue to learn and talk about the dominionists and related movements; and based on sound analysis -- consider new approaches.

by Frederick Clarkson on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 01:22:44 AM EST
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and point taken about the current influence and access of the religious right... Big Bill certainly never got an invite to the Whitehouse... thus the limitations of analogy.

My point is just to remind myself and others that positive engagement is what will probably best serve us when interacting with these folks, especially the lukewarm types who are just along for the ride.

It's important to remember that when we alienate one of these people, we need to find one vote just to counter and cancel them out, yet if we persuade or coax one over to our side... we gain two votes... the one they didn't cast for the Republicans, and the one they now cast for us.

That's some powerful arithmetic!

by moses freeman on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 02:30:56 PM EST
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It sounds like a '50's band!

by moses freeman on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:40:40 PM EST

The fear-mongering and hyperbole I see today regarding the "dominionists" is ironic in that it reminds me of the same arguments that were used against the left two or three generations ago... the leaders are anti-democratic, [ 1 ] these sorts of people shouldn't have the right to vote,  [ 2 ] they have no right to bring their issues into the public discussion, they don't respect our values, they want to take things away from us, [ 3 ] they should be deported, [ 4] why don't they just shut up and be grateful,  etc etc."

These are strong claims ( 1 - 4 ) and it might help to focus the discussion if you could provide specific examples where such things were said, and by whom. I hate to nitpick, but I don't recall having heard exhortations for the deporting of people for their religious beliefs - nor any of the other three positions you've cited. -  coming from leaders of the American left.

by Bruce Wilson on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:56:49 AM EST

this is a cross-post, it was actually written in response to series of discussions we had over at Street Prophets about a month ago. From time to time though I've heard a bit of hyperbole over here too.

Deportation is something we did to Big Bill, Emma Goldman, and others. I haven't heard of people threatening Christians with it recently, but I have heard it said in the context of Muslims. The others I've heard levelled at both.

The larger point is that we should not demonize these folks, but rather engage them with wisdom.

by moses freeman on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 04:07:23 AM EST
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Really! Demonization is the problem, not the solution.

:-)

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Chip Berlet: Research for Progress - Building Human Rights
by Chip Berlet on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:27:16 AM EST
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Since you invoked the name of the One Big Union's Big Bill Haywood, let me remind you of the Industrial Workers of the World's long-running battle with the religious establishment of their heyday, including the faith-based, do-gooding Salvation Army with whom their speakers regularly competed for streetcorner soapbox space.
My old copy of the IWW's Little Red Songbook includes the lyrics of Joe Hill's ditty called "The Preacher and the Slave," which never seemed more apt than in this Bush economy:
"You will eat, by and by,
in that glorious land beyond the sky.
Work and pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.
(That's a lie.)"
The IWW led the fight for free speech in America's streets when unconstitutional anti-sedition laws were rampant and fully enforced. The IWW led the fight for what little democracy in the workplace American workers eventually wound up with. What, exactly, did the religious community of that era come up with to compare with that? Where were its martyrs against the idiotic First World War?

by MaryOGrady on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:09:46 PM EST
I'm not trying to compare the contributions of the IWW with their religious contemporaries. The point is to avoid demonizing the religious right (or at least their rank and file). Chip Berlet has an excellent definition of demonization here.

Here in the gulf we're using primarily a positive, unifying approach to fight Wahabbism. We do isolate and attack (verbally, not literally!) certain scholars and imams that are incorrigible sources of darkness... but they are few.

By trimming away and discreditting the worst ones, and seeking positive engagement with the rest, we hope to move the community incrementally towards "the left" so to speak.

by moses freeman on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:57:19 PM EST
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Actually, quite a few of the same folks who were condemning the Wobblies et al for being Communists actually were the foundations of modern dominionism and incorporated anti-labour and anti-communist rhetoric into the internal theology of dominionism.

The first two "modern" dominionist groups in existence--"The Fellowship" and the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship International--both largely recruited based on the "Red Scare"; "The Fellowship" in particular even went to the point of being allies with American Nazi groups because both were anti-labour-union and anti-communist.

The history of the Fellowship has been quite well documented elsewhere; the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship International in particular was instrumental in incorporating anti-Russian imagery in premillenial dispensationalism (the FGBMFI is effectively a front group of the Assemblies of God, a premillenial dispensationalist dominionist church) and even actively attempted to hijack governments in Latin America and elsewhere.  In fact, the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship International actively funded the Contras in Nicaragua (being a little-documented part of the Iran-Contra scandal) and Oliver North has spoken at Assemblies churches and FGBMFI meetings claiming his part in the Iran-Contra scandal was "God's Work" because in their minds Communist = Satanist.

The Peace Corps has an especially telling article on the FGBMFI's part in promoting anti-Communist imagery in dominionist churches, and I also touch on it in my essay on the history of dominionism in the pentecostal movement.

In fact, pretty much until very recently it was explicitly taught in many Assemblies of God churches (and in general in premillenial dispensationalist pente churches) that the head of the Russian government was the Antichrist and that Russia was the nation of the antichrist prophesied in Revelation.  (This is one of the reasons that pentes voted against Jimmy Carter; even then it was being preached that Democrats were in league with the Communist Party and many people in these churches--quite literally--saw Jimmy Carter as a card-carrying Communist.)  Many of these churches STILL incorporate Russia, or occasionally communist China, into their mythos (often claiming that the Russians faked the fall of communism and that the Communists are still in control of the country).

The Fear of a Red Planet is also a major reason dominionists in pente circles are so opposed to any form of government assistance (well, other than corporate welfare); they have been explicitly taught this is all part of "Communist ideology" and they equate social welfare programs, etc. with literal Communism (and, by extension, Satanism).

by dogemperor on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 08:22:00 AM EST



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