Evangelical Pollster Learns Major Christian Leaders Are Widely Unknown
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 01:29:55 PM EST
George Barna is in a snit again.

The title of the  Evangelical pollster's latest report tells why: "Major Christian Leaders Are Widely Unknown, Even Among Christians."

Earlier this fall Barna, president of The Barna Group, was stunned to learn that only one in six Americans knew that Rosie O'Donnell had "verbally assault(ed)" Christians when she said on her daily NBC talk show that "Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like the United States."

Now the California-based sociologist and researcher has discovered "that Christianity is losing its grip on American culture."

In the more recent poll, Barna's organization wanted to know what percentage of American adults had heard of certain religious, political, and entertainment figures (16 in all) and what they thought of them. The polling, which took place in October of this year, also determined, based on beliefs, if a respondent were Evangelical or a born again Christian.

To the evident disappointment of sociologist Barna, Evangelical notables such as Rick Warren, T.D. Jakes, Tim LaHaye, and Joel Osteen were identified by only a quarter to a third of those polled. Nor did these men earn high approval ratings. Even combining "very favorable" and "somewhat favorable" responses, the percentage of Americans with positive views of these Evangelical leaders ranged from 12 percent (Rick Warren) to 22 percent (T.D. Jakes). Only James Dobson stood out from the pack: 43 percent had heard of him and of those that had, 27 gave him favorable reviews.

Barna also noted that two out of every three born again Christians (63%) did not recognize Rick Warren or T.D. Jakes, and 55 percent of the same group failed to identify Tim LaHaye. (Nearly 80 percent of Evangelicals, however, recognized Dobson and more than two-thirds of them approved of him.)

In contrast, nearly everyone had heard of Bill Clinton, George Bush, Britney Spears, Denzel Washington, and Mel Gibson, though their approval ratings varied tremendously--85 percent liked Washington but only 34 percent could say the same for Spears. Americans had strongly positive feelings towards singers Tim McGraw (72%), Faith Hill (71%), actor Mel Gibson (69%) and former president Bill Clinton (64%). But 50 percent of Americans had a negative attitude towards George Bush.

Commenting on the poll results, Barna said, "You cannot make a difference in someone's life if you do not have entrée in that life. In our society, even clergy compete for people's attention and acceptance. One of the reasons that the Christian faith is struggling to retain a toehold in people's lives is because even the highest-profile leaders of the faith community have limited resonance with the population."

"The survey statistics suggest that perhaps Christian individuals are more attuned to matters of culture and entertainment than to matters of faith . . . . People pay attention to what they deem important. These figures may be another indicator that millions of Christians invest more of their mental energy in cultural literacy than in biblical literacy."




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The real question is - do they know their Scripture? Have they encountered a few landmark theologians important at various points in history?

Barna is taking these megachurch pastors and pop-Christian authors way too seriously.

by NancyP on Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 03:50:43 PM EST


it seems to me that Barna cares much more about the celebrity of leaders of the movement than about the movement itself.  it's all too easy for the movement to have profound impacts on its followers lives without them knowing who the top eschelon of leaders are.  i'd have to imagine that most evangelicals interact with the movement primarily through their church, their pastor, and small group leaders within the church, and most people do not have rick warren as their pastor.  people who are deeply involved in church leadership or movement leadership are probably well-versed in who is at the top of the movement, but that must be a very small part of the evangelical movement overall.

the data point about james dobson is instructive, however.  i'd conclude that his notoriety is based largely on his success with Focus on the Family.  FoF casts a very wide net to help parents with a not (explicitly) religious problem, i.e. how to raise children.   that enables FoF to reach parents who are not explicitly religious or are even turned off by evangelicalism.  once parents are in the net, they can be drawn into FoF's religious worldview.  most other leaders, i suspect, start from a position of trying to advance their religion, and can only go so far because some people just don't want to hear about religion.

religious left types, and certainly liberal movement types, would be well advised to remember the example of FoF.

by PlantingLiberally on Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 04:22:50 PM EST

Dobson is broadcast on 3,000 radio stations.

He has one of the larger megaphones in the U.S., and he has been around for a lot longer than most of those named.

So while his family focus is unique, as is his massive publishing empire, he is not a minister or a theologian, he is a child psychologist.

Few religious leaders are ever all that famous.

by Frederick Clarkson on Tue Nov 28, 2006 at 04:46:06 PM EST
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His degree was in child development - a non-clinical degree with no clinical supervision. He isn't professionally qualified to treat children or families. Especially chilling when one considers how many people accept his advice (some of it bizarre) on childhood and parenting.

by Psyche on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 12:46:08 AM EST
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good point.  I think the issue of Dobson's actual credential is one that has never been adequately explored, especially in light of the kind of advice he gives.

by Frederick Clarkson on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 01:19:26 PM EST
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I've made a couple of stabs at it in the past since I share your curiosity. Not easy to put a chronology together because accounts differ and some of the information probably came from Dobson (I suspect buffed up a bit). There seems to be general agreement that he got his PhD in child development from USC in 1967. Other than that accounts vary. One reported that he "joined the staff" at LA Children's Hospital in 1966 (before degree?). Sometimes the position is described as an "attending" (term usually used for physicians), in other accounts, something in the Dept of Human Genetics. In 1969 he apparently (and concurrently) became an asst. clinical professor in Peds at USC Med School. "Clinical" in this instance means an adjunct appt, not tenure track or full time and may involve some teaching - doesn't usually pay the rent so people have a day job and use the adjunct appt for an academic credential.

In 1970, three years after graduation, he published Dare to Discipline which took off and hit the best-seller lists. Suspect he wrote it in opposition the "wild" 60's and Ben Spock's Baby and Child Care which encouraged kinder, gentler (and more permissive) child rearing. I've seen references that claim he held the hospital/med school jobs for 14-17 years although another says he left in 1977 to start his Focus on the Family radio program (and empire). He also churned out a couple more books in rapid succession. Last time I looked, he still had a license in CA but no evidence of one in CO.

PFAW has a fairly good summary. The most interesting piece I've seen (especially re: early history is in the Denver 5280 magazine. Definitely worth a read if you haven't seen it. Don't have time now but if you want more references, I'll have to dig them out. Oh, and going back a little further just for fun.


by Psyche on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 11:48:55 PM EST
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The Barna Group research seems geared towards whipping up fear in the American evangelical community.

Recent Barna Group studies include one, for example, with the scientifically dubious and actually unintentionally rather self-parodic title of "Morality Continues To Decay"

That 'research' actually was a poll of professed attitudes concerning various issues the Barna Group pegged as indicative, somehow, of "morality".

That Barna Group study ( a poll actually ) failed to note that as of the time of the study, national rates of murder, violent crime, divorce, and teen pregnancy had all been dropping for over a decade.

by Bruce Wilson on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 08:34:25 AM EST


Interesting figure's rating left out of forthwrite's article was that of Rosie O'Donnell. Dear, sweet, open lesbian Rosie rated a 95% identification of adult Americans. While her approval rating was about 50-50. As was noted  an earlier Barna survey on one in six knew about Rosie's on the button comments about EXTREMIST Christians.

What I think should be done with this survey is that it should be given wide distribution to every progressive politician and labor leader to show they do not need to fear the RRR but they do need to shore up their voters. As Fred Clarkson has written about the RRR's 15% solution, i.e., controling 15% of the registered voters. As these close elections over the last few years have shown us that 15% is important which everside has it.

by JerrySloan on Wed Nov 29, 2006 at 06:20:18 PM EST


Barna is misleading people.

He's equating knowledge of these "big name" people with Christianity having a "grip" on America.  He doesn't consider that Christians may not pay any attention to the televangelists, or dispise them (as I do).

He also is basing his claim on the idea that the only form of Christianity is Evangelical (or "born again").  Not every Christian is Evangelical, and some Christian people avoid the term "born again" because of the association with fundamentalism.

You've heard the saying "Lies, damn lies, and statistics"?  Well, this is a clear case of the misuse of statistics.  What I read here tells me that his research does not have validity- that the answers he's looking at does not have any real connection to his research questions or his findings.  It is so obvious that I rather suspect it is deliberate.

by ArchaeoBob on Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 12:26:12 PM EST



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